Healing Starts With You: How Unprocessed Grief Impacts Parenting & What To Do About It – with Jason Wendroff-Rawnicki

Sometimes we're unsure how to address grief in our home, our own unresolved grief or our own stress and our own emotions. And that can really have an effect on our kiddos without us even really knowing that or recognizing it. For parents out there, whether you've lost a loved one or you've experienced trauma or maybe you're just dealing with emotions from your past, I really believe it's essential to work through those emotions so that you're not unintentionally passing them down to your kiddos.

because I think even when we think that we're shielding our kids from our own grief or our stress, you know, everyday stress, our emotional distress, kids have a sixth sense for knowing that, you know what, something's not right or mom and dad aren't okay. And so what can we do to help take care of our own selves and really deal with and overcome our grief and our emotional pain? And that is actually why you're here today, Jason. Hey there, parents. Thanks for listening to the No Problem Parenting Podcast.

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And like so many people, you were told, Oh, stay strong. And, you know, after a little while you You can move on, but grief does not work that way. Over time, you realized that grief isn't something that we just get over, that it actually lives in our body. And if we don't process it, it can unconsciously shape how we parent and how we communicate and how our children learn to handle their own emotions.

So you ended up becoming a grief therapist, a somatic grief therapist. You're also a keynote speaker, and I encourage everybody to go listen to your keynote address that you have on your website. It is phenomenal. You're also a yoga teacher with a master's degree in psychology, and you help people move through grief.

Absolutely. Thank you so much for joining me. Let's start with why parents need to do their own healing first and why that's so important. Yeah.

And I want to kind of just, even before we talk about that, I want to even stress that it doesn't matter what you do. Your kids are going to process it in their own unique way. So I know like the more you though, get in touch with the issues that you're dealing with, the easier it will be with, for the children, because they don't only just listen to what you're saying. They're, they're watching what you're doing. And even before we hit the record button, you know, Jackie, you were saying like, people think that they're shielding their kids, maybe from their emotional issues.

But if you're holding back, the kids are watching that and they're learning their emotional intelligence from you. And so if you think that you're shielding them, then you may actually be walling them off from what they're feeling. And especially around grief. I know even in my own personal household, I have young nephews.

We need to be very open and honest about what grief has and death, what that brings, because, you know, shielding children from grief separates the death and the life. It makes it different. And this is the way we're conditioning our young kids to be afraid of death when it's actually just part of the life cycle. So that's really important to make sure that you're getting a check on your own stuff so that you're not passing it off onto your kids. Oh, I think that's awesome. And how do we do that is, I think, often the big question. You know, you lost your teenage sister when you were 20 years old. And so talk a little bit about that, the impact that had on you and how it showed up in your life in ways you couldn't have even been prepared for or could expect. Right. So going back to that conditioning, that conditioned response that happened. So for the first few years, I didn't even realize I was supposed to be dealing with my grief. Like it wasn't a thing because everyone was telling me not just, you know, just from society in general, because we also not just get conditioned from our, our immediate family, but we get conditioned from society and the community and people around us, which is why it's important to make sure that we're, you know, being in community and sending these great messages to our young kids, because we're all everyone you're all being affected so i would get these messages you got to be strong for

your parents uh you're gonna have to be tough you and so how can i i'm an emotional mess my sister just died and if i showed my emotions to my parents that wouldn't that's not being strong for them that's causing them more pain so for the first couple of years i conditioned myself just to stuff everything down. And when you start to stuff things down, it has to come out some way. So I would start like kind of beating myself up and I would start doing these things that weren't supporting my health and my growth. And it wasn't until I realized, oh crap, right? I have to deal with my grief first. And I always seem like it's like putting on an oxygen mask.

When you're on the plane, the stewardess says, in case of an emergency, the oxygen masks drop. You got to put it on yourself first before putting it on your children. And so that's what we're talking about is putting your own oxygen mask on first and dealing with your stuff. because if not, you're going to just pass that conditioning off to your kids, even with the best intentions.

My parents are so loving and caring, and they also are scared of some stuff that I became scared of. They turned me away from things that really would support me. So that's why it's important that you really deal with your own issues first. And it first starts with awareness.

You have to realize what your issues are because everyone's got different issues, right? Like everyone has different things that they're dealing with. So I can imagine your parents at the time were not wanting you to stuff your grief. We're not wanting, you know, the messages you heard from other people about you need to be strong for your parents.

I mean, they weren't asking for that, but how, how do you even know? It's like, you want to protect your kids from your own grief or your own hurt, but you don't even really know as a parent what to do for yourself, much less for your child or young adults, right? So where do you start or knowing what you know now? What are maybe some of the subtle ways that parents might be unconsciously passing down their grief or stress? What are some things they can be aware of? Right. So that's where I always come back into the body. Our body is always giving us those messages of, you know, of what to do. And we so often don't get into our instinctual body. We inhibit those instincts. And so when our body reacts in a certain way,

we have to start to listen in. So many people that are in grieving have a certain place that starts to act up. And it's funny because a lot of times it could be, and with some of my clients, it mirrors the death of their loved one. So I had a client that her sister passed of respiratory issues and then she started to have some like kind of lung things going on. Another woman that her mom died of lower back thing and she started to have lower back pain. So sometimes even our physical cells mirror what was going on with our loved one. So that's always a great place to start is notice where your body is feeling dis-ease or discomfort.

Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And you're reminding me of when we met in New Jersey a few weeks ago, you said the issues are in the tissues. Yes. Yeah.

I loved that. And I thought, oh my gosh, that's helpful to even think about that a lot of our emotions often are stored in the body somewhere, right? And you talk a lot about the central nervous system. I'm all about teaching tools.

So let's go into a tool that's great because I'm a big fan. I don't like to ever speak without giving someone like action to do, right? Because this information is so great, wonderful. But if you're not acting on it, then knowledge is only potential power.

It's only when we take action do we really get the true benefits. So I'm going to go over a quick – I'm going to teach everyone how to breathe deeply because that's a great way of just getting in contact with your central nervous system, what's going on in your body, and just getting a good feeling of where you start from, even on a physical level, right? So a good way to do that is bring one hand to your belly and a hand to your chest.

Oh my gosh, you're speaking my language right now. It's step one of no problem parenting. I call it remember the pause. Yeah, right.

And what? Because we get so involved, especially as parents. Oh, I don't have the time. I don't have the energy. I don't have like we all have the same amount of time. Energy can always be generated. Like we have to think of energy as generation. And if you're exhausted, right, it's because you need to generate more energy.

How do you generate more energy? That's where all lifestyle stuff, that's where doTERRA comes into place. That's where healthy eating, foundational wellness, that's where all of that stuff, getting good quality sleep. And when we can get our body generating more energy, and we can always start there with the breath, right?

So, yeah, absolutely. And this is this is totally free. You can you have access to it. Like, yeah, does it? Right. Right. And you can do it anywhere.

You could do it while driving a car, while driving your kids to to practice, while doing all of these things. You can breathe deeply while you're living life. Right. Like, right. So don't do the hand on the heart and the hand on the chest while you're, you know, while you're driving. Right.

OK, right. But we're just going to start off here. but I'm going to show you without the hands and the heart so you can do it while you're driving, right? But it's just so that you have, you're getting biofeedback.

That's the key, right? So when you inhale, you can just gently, just close your eyes for a second, not if you're driving, that is. And I just want you to breathe in and out through the nostrils. And I want you to feel your belly and your chest move.

And then just take a few moments just to feel the wave of breath. and then on your next inhale, see if you can fill up your belly just a little bit more, feel your chest lift, feel your lungs inflate, and then as you exhale, you're going to feel the lungs deflate, the chest kind of moving back down into the body, and then the belly releasing, so as you inhale, filling up belly, lungs, and chest, and then exhale, chest, lungs, and belly, remember in and out through the nostrils if you have allergies right like you can open your mouth a little bit but try as best as possible in and out through the nostrils so inhale filling up the belly lungs and chest and then exhale release chest lungs and belly do one more deep breath in like that and then as you exhale just let your hands kind of rest in your lap. Keep your eyes closed. And I want you to still continue to breathe deeply, but start to scan your body and notice any messages your body is trying to tell you. Are you holding your tension in a certain spot? Do you feel your emotions rising up someplace? What are the physical sensations that you're noticing right now.

And just take a moment to get present right here and now. Just take maybe two or three more deep breaths. And then notice how you feel. Notice any shifts, right?

I mean, we did that for just a couple of moments, but notice the impact that just a couple of moments of pausing and focusing on the breath and even deepening the breath can have on you. and then when you feel ready just you know crack your eyes open so that you can bring in the the rest of the room so Jackie I saw it what what did you notice so cool because I have I have an exciting day ahead of me right starting it started this morning with a client already now I'm in this interview with you and I've got four more events or meetings after this and so there's tension with that it's excitable tension I mean it's not like it's stress and bringing me down, but it's like, there's a lot on my plate today. And so I could, I didn't realize though,

I'm like all geared up, I'm ready to go. But just doing that, I could tell already how I like, I could feel it go down through my hips, into my knees. I stretched my legs out and then I could just kind of feel the, the tension in my, in my shoulders and just kind of all wash away. I feel like I need to take my little footie slippers off that I have, like, let it all go all through my toes. Right. But that was just really relieving almost like chill out, Jax. It's all good. You know, you got this. Well, right. And 100 percent. Right. So just that simple focusing on the breath just relaxes the muscles. Now, I want to like the idea of yoga and deep breathing doesn't need that you need to move like a turtle. Right. Like right. Like it doesn't mean that you need to move slow.

We want to be energized. We want that excitement in our life, but we can do it without the tension. My favorite example of that is, have you ever watched Usain Bolt run? He's the fastest guy, I think, on the planet.

And he runs – the energy that it takes for him to do what he does is absolutely incredible. But when you watch him, it looks like he's just floating because he's active but without the tension. right when we can learn to you know as a parent you need to be on point you need to be on point for your kids but you can do it without the tension without the the holding without the constriction so that you can move fast but move fluidly as well that's so cool and it doesn't mean again that we have to shield our kids from our own grief if when we're sad when a big feeling comes up, when something happens, we can share that. Like how, what are some ideas or suggestions for parents when they are feeling it and they normally would try to brush away the tears or change the subject or kind of, you know, distract from it. What else can they do?

There is a very fine line, right, between sharing and oversharing, like as a parent, right? So we need to be careful that we don't, you don't block and wall it off. Like I very rarely see my dad cry, especially as a man going through grief, right? We do go through grief a little bit differently than women. It's a different thing. But we also want to find that thing where we're actually, it's okay to cry. It's okay for your kids to see you emotional because then that gives them permission to be emotional as well. You know, you can say to your kids as much as you want, oh, you can come to me and tell me everything, right? But are you being that model for them, Not that you tell them everything, but are you communicating your needs and being honest with your needs as they are? If you need a couple of minutes to go and cry, let your kids know, hey, mommy needs a little bit of a time out. I need to go in my room. I have to go cry. I'm feeling sad.

sad, right? And giving yourself the space to do that and not lean on your children to be the support. They still need to be kids. They still need to be the kids. And they need to know that it's okay that you need a break. It's okay for them to know that you're feeling frustrated or angry. And when you fly off the handle, then you apologize to them for that, right? They need to hear that we're all human beings. You're not a superhero as much as you want to be one. They need to see that human part of yourself. Right. Not so much about being a perfect parent, just a conscious one. And sometimes we're triggered or we're set off by something.

And in the moment, we're not going to be able to use our great parenting skills. But I love that then after the fact, you can go back over and say, hey, and just describe to them what happened for you. And then use my make it right technique that I mowed all over the place. If you don't know about the make it right technique message me I'll DM it to you but it's really about not just saying I'm sorry or apologizing but you know I had this moment I did this thing and what can I do to make it up to you makes you human in your kids eyes and it's really good modeling too yeah and I and when you get triggered like having that pause moment of like all right focusing on the breath like because sometimes we don't know you know like as we were talking about the parents don't know what they need. And so taking a moment to figure that out, like to take the beat, to take a couple of deep breaths like we just did and say, okay, right, this is what I need. And then I could communicate that more effectively with my children without being, you know, in a reactive spot.

We always need, like when I work with clients, I always teach these reactive tools of grief of when the grief comes and smashes you in the face, like we need to be able to deal with that. But also proactive tools of what can I do on a daily basis to keep my body vital, to keep my energy high, to keep me in a resourceful place so that this way when the kids start whining, when the problems start happening, if you're already in a non-resourced place to start, you're just going to fly off the handle. But if you're resourceful to start, then it's easier to deal with that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's really good. And it's, it's good to do this more than once a day. It's good to, I like to do it during transitions, whether it's when I first wake up to do some kind of calming breath work and before I go to bed, do some calming breath work, but also in the car, parents, before you walk in the door, before you go to pick your kid up from daycare or school or while you're waiting for them to come out. I mean, it takes just a couple of minutes.

And even if you just have 30 seconds, right. You know, three good breaths. Um, but before you walk into the door, before your kids come into the door, because again, like you're saying, if you've got other things weighing on you and your body's already tense, and then the kids come in and there's more tension added, you know, or even excitability, it's just like overwhelming, you know, to, to be dealing with at the time, whatever it is, it's, it's really good to be groaning.

and your kids notice you do it. Parents will say, well, that looks weird or awkward to do that. And like, you're teaching them and talk to my clients, their kids are doing it because the parents are modeling it. And then their kids are starting to do it when they're getting amped up or anxious about something or having some kind of a big feeling. So it's, it's a really good free tool.

Yeah. And also like sometimes that discharge doesn't always have to be caught. Like we don't have to sit and meditate necessarily, right? Like do a three minute dance break, get the kids involved, right? The kids come in from school, say, Hey, three minute dance break and get your body just like rocking and rolling, right? Like you can just movement in and of itself. So even when I work with clients, I don't necessarily focus on yoga postures. Like I work on some practical movements, go out for a walk, go do a dance break, go, you know, even if for guys, if it's chopping wood, sometimes I'll just be like, you know what, I just need to chop some wood just to get some of that, like, that aggressive energy out there doesn't always have to be like, I'm going to sit and hum and, you know, like, it doesn't have to always be calm.

It can be active. And for some people, we need to get that action that that active energy out because it gets stuck if we don't. That's a really good point. And sometimes people will say it's too hard for me emotionally to do the calming stuff because it, it freaks me out and it takes me to a really dark place. And so if that's the stage or the phase you're in with grief, I don't know if there's stages and phases, but you know, if that's the place that you're at, right. Cause it kind of comes, it can come and go. Maybe it is, is being more active. That's more important to you so you can get it out. You physically kind of get it out. So I think that's a really good point too. Well, and I want to just address, like, I don't believe in stages of grief. I I believe in frameworks. So I have a very specific framework that I work with my clients versus like building that awareness of like, okay, where are you right now? That's like kind of,

and it's not linear. This, another kind of area is getting yourself into a peak state because what happens, especially in grief, we can be, we can really take that victim mentality and getting your body into a very strong and vital place. You know, you move your body, you change your feelings, you move your body, you change how you think. And so using a physiology approach to get yourself out of that like victim mindset and back into an empowered state. And then we work on changing your identity and finding a compelling future. Because I know with a lot of grief clients, their identity completely shifts or almost disintegrates. And they don't have a vision of where their life is going because of the person that they lost was integrated into their vision. And now that person's no longer there. So it's, I think a framework is way more effective than stages because I don't believe it happens in stages. So.

Absolutely love that. I remember when my mom passed, it's been over 20 years since she's been gone, but I remember people were saying, oh, have you been through the anger stage yet? And I was like, am I supposed to? Like, is there something with me that I don't have that yet?

You know, so I love that you have a framework versus a stage order, right? And the thing too, just one more little thing is, right, that's why it's important to work on the body, the somatic component to it, right? Because even though your mom died 20 years ago, if you've only worked on it, like most traditional therapists work with the thinking patterns and the emotions behind it and don't get the body involved. And if you don't get the body involved, that's like a third that you're missing.

And so I find even too, some people, oh, well, I did my grief work with the therapist and they did the thought patterning and the emotional, but it still lives in the body if you don't release it from the tissues. So there's, yeah. And when we put it in the context of everything else, usually, you know, what we mentioned earlier, when we condition ourselves or when you're being conditioned by your parents, by society, by everything else, right, that conditioning gets lodged in your nervous system.

And you can rewire yourself like by moving, by challenging your thoughts, by being aware of what you're doing and why you're doing it. So we can rewire everything around. So there is a good chance that I believe everything gets sort of stuck within the body until we rewire it. And so that rewiring system, it does take about 60 to 90 days of consistent work and consistent effort just to get you thinking in a different way, to feeling in a different way and to doing different things.

So good. And I think a lot of times when we even hear the word grief, we're thinking it has to be like a death of a loved one. But that grief is so much more than that. And I specialize in kiddos with attachment issues.

And oftentimes those kiddos don't have verbal memory of their grief because maybe the abuse or the neglect or the adoption or the medical pain, the hospitalization, whatever happened before the age of three. So they don't have verbal memory of the grief or loss that they endured early on. And I have parents I'm working with who had those issues as, or those traumas as young children and who are now parenting their own children. And some of those emotions and things, traumas and triggers and things are coming out in them now.

And so, again, you know, the importance of being able to understand and recognize you could have had grief and loss, suffered grief and loss that never was. You don't remember. Right. Verbally remember. But it's still harbored in your body.

And it's well and and grief can come from many different ways. And I don't think we have expansive enough language around grief, to be honest with you. Because the death of a loved one is definitely a certain type of grief. And then there's others like secondary types of grief, like there's like from divorce, from loss of a job, from there's so many different non-death related grief.

and they're similar in some ways, but very different in others. So I don't think the language is broad enough to really talk about those, but yes, there are absolutely other ways in which people grieve other than the death of a person. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. So before we wrap up, let's talk a little bit about your practice, what you're doing with somatic grief therapy and And the website is somatic grief therapy dot com.

But talk about you have a support group you have specifically for sibling loss. And you also have your somatic grief therapy work. So share how this works. So, yeah, I have a whole bunch of different.

So the first one is the free peer support group. That's specifically for bereaved siblings. You know, growing up with, you know, being a young adult as a as a bereaved sibling, I realized that that voice doesn't get validated enough. We always get invalidated by being strong for our parents. And just like all this stuff I mentioned a little bit earlier. So I'm really and that's why I'm very adamant about telling my story so that other bereaved siblings and it doesn't matter what age I lost my sister as a young adult.

But, you know, whether it's an older adult, you know, it doesn't matter. Like the bereaved sibling experience is very unique. And so I wanted to make sure that I'm always supporting my fellow bereaved siblings in the free peer support group. But then I have my own private work that I do one-on-one online, which is really reconditioning the nervous system about putting that grief.

A lot of times when someone experiences a loss, it becomes their entire identity. And I like to make sure that that grief gets put into really the perspective of life, into the tapestry of life, so that it's part of who they are, but not all of who they are. So if they're a parent, a wife, a daughter, a son, whatever, right, like all of those identities can exist at the same time, not just, hey, I'm grieving, I'm grieving, I'm grieving. And when you do that, then you can experience and recondition your nervous system to experience happiness and joy again.

So that's really when I work with my clients. I really specifically focus on that about getting vitality in their body with lifestyle changes like healthy diet, movement, sleep, all of those things, because those are all critical. If you're not, there's research is showing, sorry, I'm going on a tangent, I realized. I can talk. If you're not sleeping well, right, that's going to affect your overall, they say it's even more important than diet and exercise. So getting good quality, consistent sleep is really the foundation. And then from their diet and then from their movement and then other self-care rituals.

So I work with people all around that so that this way they can really get back to taking action in their lives as quickly as possible. It's so good. And it's a it's a new approach. It's a different approach.

Again, I suggest people go to your website, watch your keynote address that you gave me a video up there about that. You also have a book. Yes. So the book that I have just came out in December, it's called Faces of Grief.

And just like we talked, it's not just my story. I'm just one of the stories with 26 other authors in there. And we do talk about other forms of grief, not just death-related grief, but there's ambiguous grief, there's divorce, there's all kinds of mental health, for mental health issues, incarceration. So there's all kinds of amazing stories in there of many, many, many different types of grief. And it actually brought awareness into my own. I thought, oh, grief is just death. But then once I started hearing other people's stories, I'm like, you know what, I got to let that stereotype drop and realize that it does extend into other areas as well.

And is it too late? I mean, like for somebody like me that, you know, my, my toughest loss, I would say I've experienced a lot of loss in my life. The hardest one for me so far to endure was the loss of my mom. And again, therapy for that, lots of different approaches and things that I've done over the years. But, you know, I think there's people that have lost siblings or loved ones as a child, and now they're adults and they're still struggling.

and listen yeah yeah and it's never too late as long as you're open to growth as long as you have a growth mindset right you can rewire if you have a fixed mindset and said well i i'm a i experienced that death and that's it boom you're right then it's it's much harder but you can always rewire your nervous system as long as you're breathing as long as you wake up in the like i i believe It doesn't matter how long. It may take a little bit longer to disconnect the old wiring and reconnect the new wiring, but it is definitely possible.

As long as you're open to the growth, as long as you want to put the work in, as long as you're looking at changing the way you think, the way you feel, and then what you do, because nothing has meaning until we give it meaning. So we can change those meanings. We can always rewrite our story as long as you're, you know, wanting to rewrite it. Right, right.

And you're in the Jersey area, but you're virtual. Yeah, all my work is online because, you know, I just, I love, I love the format. I feel that like, I just love working with people from all over the place. And, you know, and we literally have a session and then turn off the camera and do, and I always give homework in between sessions too, because you know what, we need to be consistent in our actions and the way we think. And so it's not something you can, Oh, I did it once and I'm good. Right. It's like, it's no, we have to get it worked into our nervous system so that this way, every time like life punches us in the gut, we get back up and, and, and we get back up quicker every time it does. So, yeah, it's, and it's never great. Yeah. I wish I, I wish I would have had you 20 some years ago because I remember like the loss of my grandma and my mom was really adamant that I needed to go get, you know, some therapy. And so I did, I went, but you know, third story or fifth story up in this bank building was a therapist's office. And I went in there and I'm crying and all the things and, you know, all puffed up in the face. And then I've got to go back through the elevator and then, you know, the main foyer of the bank building with all these people.

And of course, nobody's looking at me, but I'm thinking I'm embarrassed. So now, you know, it's like I'm at all this other stress onto, you know, the therapy session in and of itself. How cool is it now that we have that ability to meet virtually in the comfort of our own home where we feel more safe and secure and do do a coaching session with you? Well, I wish I had me 25 years ago. That's why I got involved because I was like, oh, wait a second. Nobody's talking like now people are now throwing the word somatic around, but they're just using it usually in reference to movement.

When I say somatic, in my opinion, it's not movement is part of that, but it's all the other stuff around it. It's like eating. It's sleeping. It's like all of the things that that get our body alive and vibrant and, you know, wanting us to be able to crush the day.

You know, so great. So great. And you're going to talk about some foundational wellness, just as we are here at No Problem Parenting, going to be presenting some classes in the coming weeks. people follow you on Instagram or on TikTok at somatic grief therapy. They can also listen to your moving grief podcast, right? Is that? Yep. Yep. That's on YouTube. Yep. It's yeah, it's on my, it's on my, it's on YouTube. The it's moving grief podcast. It's me and a colleague, Heather Stang. We we have some great grief talks. And so we're like, Hey, let's record them for other people. And so I'm always giving, we are always giving tools and strategies because that's really important to both of us for people to walk away with something that they can use right now.

That's so great. So great. Well, thanks for bearing with me as we spontaneously went live on Facebook here today. I just, I love everything you're about. You make grief normal. You make it safe to talk about and to share and, and to move forward and become victorious instead of stuck in, in our victim, victim. Yeah. It doesn't have to be heavy. Like that's what a lot of people, I mean, yes, it can get heavy for sure. Like, and, but, but it doesn't have to, it doesn't have to, we just got to look at our own patterns and, and identify what those patterns are so we can change them. So great. All right. Well, we're going to put the links in the show notes of the podcast.

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